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[STOCKPHOTO] Re:Advice sought on a "historic" photo archive
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mzsupa5
2007-01-01 02:01:59 UTC
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Well said Mike, In this case I hope something can be salvaged. I am
not optimistic that material of this type can survive on self
generated income alone and at least in the early days some sort of
funding or voluntary work will be needed to get things going. A
swift Lottery funding bid will be needed before all the cash gets
hoovered up to pay for the 2012 0lympics!! In a way I think material
like this may fare better in private hands than with commercial or
government organisations. The decision to call the skip often rests
with a uninterested clerk who would prefer to tell a researcher that
X no longer exists than dig through the dust to get it.

Tony Collins
I believe this is not a question of economy (the returns expected
from this
or any such archive), but a question of preserving history. I
still stand by
my statement that we as photographers are recorders of history. We
don't
just make money at it. The monetary value is temporary, the
historical value
lasts much, much longer. If this archive is worthless then all our
archives
are worthless.
Mike Shipman
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Ian Murray
2007-01-01 09:01:31 UTC
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I believe this is not a question of economy (the returns expected
from this
or any such archive), but a question of preserving history. I still
stand by
my statement that we as photographers are recorders of history. We
don't
just make money at it. The monetary value is temporary, the
historical value
lasts much, much longer. If this archive is worthless then all our
archives
are worthless.
Mike Shipman
Dear Mike,

Thank goodness somebody is thinking beyond the cash register. This
archive is a huge historical resource. It is an absolute disgrace if
such material is being thrown away. In the UK national lottery money
should be made available to preserve our heritage for the future. The
large publishers that have taken over most local independent newspapers
should be held responsible for the role they have assumed rather than
be allowed to asset strip.

There should be a law against this happening.

Thanks Mike for bringing some perspective to this discussion.

Ian Murray
Mike Shipman/Blue Planet Photography
2007-01-01 09:35:44 UTC
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The good thing is that these negatives exist and can be "bargained" or
"fought" for and preserved. The travesty occurring every day is that
historically relevant images are being deleted from compact flash and other
memory cards and hard drives and there is no going back when that happens.
I'm not saying every single digital image should be saved, all the
non-identifiable subject images can be deleted. Save the under and over
exposed images, however, the technology to save those image files is being
improved every day. Not all images on negative and transparency film will be
perfect, either (though transparencies are much easier to edit out
individual images, same as digital).

Mike Shipman



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Chuck Goodenough
2007-01-01 20:47:00 UTC
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Hi gang,
Happy New Year!

Question:
RF images.
Would an RF license allow a business to use the image on a postcard
or T-shirt and sell it in perpetuity?

Specifically, looking through Cafepress forums I see people looking
for clip art and RF and then putting images on items for sale in
their shops.

Chuck
--
Chuck Goodenough Photo in Los Angeles:
http://www.chuckgoodenough.com
Phone: 213-624-1600 Fax: 213-232-3335
Ian Murray
2007-01-01 10:02:32 UTC
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This may or may not be the list of publications produced by the
company in question. It is a list of one of the largest regional
newspaper publishers. Imagine if the 'landfill solution' was adopted
company-wide? Of course, I have no idea if this is the same company
that we are discussing.

My former local paper is in this list and my goodness how it has
deteriorated in recent years. The editors of the Bath Evening
Chronicle seem to lack local knowledge beyond the latest wine bars,
gastro pubs, and comings and goings of minor celebs. In one memorable
article they referred to local historical figure Beau Nash as 'Bone
Ash'!

Aberdeen Citizen
Aberdeen Evening Express
Aberdeen Press and Journal
Advertiser Series (Hull)
Ashby and Coalville Mail
Axholme Herald
Bath Chronicle
Bath Times
Brentwood Gazette Series
Bridgwater Times
Bristol Evening Post
Bristol Observer Series
Burnham and Highbridge Times
Cannock & Rugeley Mercury
Carmarthen Herald
Carmarthen Journal
Cheadle Post and Times
Cheltenham News
Clevedon Mercury
Cornish Guardian
Derby Evening Telegraph
Derby Express Group
East Grinstead Courier
East Lindsey Target
Essex Chronicle
Exeter Express and Echo
Exeter Times
Forest of Dean: The Forester
Gainsborough Target
Gloucester News
Gloucestershire Echo
Great Barr Observer
Grimsby Target
Grimsby Telegraph
Hereford Admag
Hull Daily Mail
Kent and Sussex Courier
Leek Post and Times
Leicester Mail Group
Leicester Mercury
Lichfield Mercury Series
Lincoln Target
Lincolnshire Echo
Llanelli Star Series
Loughborough Mail
Mansfield and Ashfield Recorder
Mendip Messenger
Mid Devon Gazette Series
Mid Somerset Series
Moorlands Advertiser
Neath & Port Talbot Courier
News In Focus
North Devon Journal
North Staffs Advertiser
Nottingham Evening Post
Nottingham Recorder
Plymouth Extra
Retford Times
Scunthorpe Target
Scunthorpe Telegraph
Sentinel Sunday
Sevenoaks Chronicle
Shrewsbury Admag
Somerset Guardian Standard
South Cheshire Advertiser Series
South Lincs Target Group
South Wales Evening Post
Stoke The Sentinel
Sutton Coldfield Observer
Swansea Herald Of Wales
Tamworth Herald Series
Tamworth Leader
Taunton Times
The Citizen
The Cornishman
The Herald (Plymouth)
Torbay Weekender Series
Torquay Herald Express
Uttoxeter Post and Times
Walsall Advertiser
Wellington Weekly News
West Briton
West Wiltshire Advertiser
Western Daily Press (Bristol)
Western Gazette
Western Morning News
Weston and Worle News
Wolds Target
Yeovil Times

Ian Murray
wareham2006
2007-01-01 11:27:35 UTC
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Just so you dont think taht it is all bad news. I was speaking a
very distant cousin of mine last week who worked for his local
newspaper in the UK. He told me a lot of his work in the past months
has been scanning old images from the archives. They have realised
that the Heritage/local history pages are some of the most popular
and were making a digital archive.
regards,
Richard Wareham
Post by Ian Murray
This may or may not be the list of publications produced by the
company in question. It is a list of one of the largest regional
newspaper publishers. Imagine if the 'landfill solution' was
adopted
Post by Ian Murray
company-wide? Of course, I have no idea if this is the same
company
Post by Ian Murray
that we are discussing.
My former local paper is in this list and my goodness how it has
deteriorated in recent years. The editors of the Bath Evening
Chronicle seem to lack local knowledge beyond the latest wine
bars,
Post by Ian Murray
gastro pubs, and comings and goings of minor celebs. In one
memorable
Post by Ian Murray
article they referred to local historical figure Beau Nash
as 'Bone
Post by Ian Murray
Ash'!
Aberdeen Citizen
Aberdeen Evening Express
Aberdeen Press and Journal
Advertiser Series (Hull)
Ashby and Coalville Mail
Axholme Herald
Bath Chronicle
Bath Times
Brentwood Gazette Series
Bridgwater Times
Bristol Evening Post
Bristol Observer Series
Burnham and Highbridge Times
Cannock & Rugeley Mercury
Carmarthen Herald
Carmarthen Journal
Cheadle Post and Times
Cheltenham News
Clevedon Mercury
Cornish Guardian
Derby Evening Telegraph
Derby Express Group
East Grinstead Courier
East Lindsey Target
Essex Chronicle
Exeter Express and Echo
Exeter Times
Forest of Dean: The Forester
Gainsborough Target
Gloucester News
Gloucestershire Echo
Great Barr Observer
Grimsby Target
Grimsby Telegraph
Hereford Admag
Hull Daily Mail
Kent and Sussex Courier
Leek Post and Times
Leicester Mail Group
Leicester Mercury
Lichfield Mercury Series
Lincoln Target
Lincolnshire Echo
Llanelli Star Series
Loughborough Mail
Mansfield and Ashfield Recorder
Mendip Messenger
Mid Devon Gazette Series
Mid Somerset Series
Moorlands Advertiser
Neath & Port Talbot Courier
News In Focus
North Devon Journal
North Staffs Advertiser
Nottingham Evening Post
Nottingham Recorder
Plymouth Extra
Retford Times
Scunthorpe Target
Scunthorpe Telegraph
Sentinel Sunday
Sevenoaks Chronicle
Shrewsbury Admag
Somerset Guardian Standard
South Cheshire Advertiser Series
South Lincs Target Group
South Wales Evening Post
Stoke The Sentinel
Sutton Coldfield Observer
Swansea Herald Of Wales
Tamworth Herald Series
Tamworth Leader
Taunton Times
The Citizen
The Cornishman
The Herald (Plymouth)
Torbay Weekender Series
Torquay Herald Express
Uttoxeter Post and Times
Walsall Advertiser
Wellington Weekly News
West Briton
West Wiltshire Advertiser
Western Daily Press (Bristol)
Western Gazette
Western Morning News
Weston and Worle News
Wolds Target
Yeovil Times
Ian Murray
Peter Dean
2007-01-01 10:02:44 UTC
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Post by Ian Murray
It is an absolute disgrace if
such material is being thrown away.
Ian
It happens all the time from what people have told me. It takes a lot of
people to shoot and assemble collections but only one tidy mind working
in an untidy office to book the skip. This happens when archives are not
organised properly. When the mag or newspaper moves office its time to
start afresh.
Post by Ian Murray
In the UK national lottery money
should be made available to preserve our heritage for the future.
When we exhibited at the BAPLA Picture Fair a few years ago a bloke
started a conversation with us and was asking about the business. He was
looking for tips how to build an archive (while we were trying to talk
with buyers). He had been awarded over 250K to build an archive of (i
think) Mid Wales ( the Celts not the mammals) Don't know if it was
lottery money but could have been. It makes you wonder what is so
special about mid Wales :-) He could buy cameras and pay photographers
to shoot. He was not allowed to spend it on unrelated photography.

If you know nothing about the business and don't have a clue about
anything to do with photography or building an archive you may be
successful if you apply :-) Those of us who have a fighting chance of
actually achieving it would likely be turned down. However if you don't
ask you don't get do you?

If the owner of the Welsh archive is reading perhaps he can let us know
how he got on or correct any of my post. But maybe he moved office after
ordering the skip?

Happy New Year to all !

Pete
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Peter Dean (Photographer)
agripicture.com
+44(0)1398 331598
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